The Conversations We Avoid Can Cost Us with Nicole McKinney Johnson Some of the most important conversations in our families, workplaces, and communities are also the hardest ones to have.
In this episode of Cleveland Pulse, host Edwin Hubbard Jr. sits down with Nicole McKinney Johnson, President and CEO of the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, for an honest conversation about sexual assault, human trafficking, consent, survivor support, family communication, workplace responsibility, advocacy, and the power of creating safe spaces where people can speak openly.
Nicole shares her journey from a nearly 30-year career in human resources across multiple industries to leading an organization whose mission is deeply personal to her. She also explains how the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center grew from one telephone and six women into an organization serving communities across multiple counties through advocacy, education, case management, survivor services, and partnerships.
But this conversation goes beyond one organization.
Edwin and Nicole examine why sexual violence can remain hidden inside families and communities, why men and boys also need spaces to talk about sexual assault, and why parents should begin teaching children about body ownership, boundaries, consent, and trusted communication early in life.
For business owners, managers, nonprofit leaders, educators, parents, and community builders, the workplace discussion is especially important. What happens when an employee experiences sexual harassment? Do people trust leadership or HR enough to report what happened? Are organizations creating environments where difficult concerns can actually be raised? Nicole brings her decades of HR experience into the conversation to explain why policies alone aren't enough...people also need trusted systems and access to support.
The discussion also explores human trafficking, misconceptions about what trafficking looks like, barriers survivors can face when seeking justice, and why community advocacy matters in courtrooms, workplaces, neighborhoods, and the Ohio Statehouse.
At its core, this episode is about Cleveland community advocacy and our willingness to have uncomfortable conversations in comfortable rooms. Building safer communities requires more than awareness. It requires education, communication, advocacy, trusted institutions, and people willing to use their influence.
Nicole also discusses leadership, legacy, mentorship, and why meaningful community work cannot be done alone. Her challenge is simple: bring these conversations into spaces where they aren't already happening and connect people with organizations doing the work.
Cleveland Pulse, hosted by Edwin Hubbard Jr., brings Cleveland's leaders, advocates, entrepreneurs, and community builders into conversations about the issues shaping Northeast Ohio. It's a civil rights podcast focused on Black leadership in Cleveland, Cleveland civic engagement, community advocacy, and turning influence into meaningful action.
Content note: This episode contains discussion of sexual assault, rape, human trafficking, and survivor experiences.
00:00:00 — Uncomfortable Conversations in Comfortable Rooms
00:00:18 — Edwin Hubbard Jr. Introduces Nicole McKinney Johnson
00:01:21 — Nicole's Journey to the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center
00:01:52 — 51 Years of the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center
00:03:18 — What the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center Actually Does
00:05:04 — Who Is Impacted by Sexual Violence?
00:06:31 — Human Trafficking and the Cleveland Community
00:07:09 — Supporting Survivors of Trafficking and Exploitation
00:08:33 — When Do You Call a Crisis Center Instead of Police?
00:10:17 — What Sexual Assault and Consent Mean
00:11:51 — Men and Boys Can Be Survivors Too
00:14:03 — Reporting Sexual Assault and Workplace Harassment
00:16:07 — How Parents Can Talk to Children About Body Safety
00:19:04 — Why Survivors Sometimes Don't Tell Their Families
00:22:11 — Recognizing What We May Be Missing
00:22:55 — Survivors, the Court System, and Access to Justice
00:24:07 — Advocacy, Legislation, and Making Our Voices Heard
00:25:08 — Creating Safe and Supportive Spaces for Survivors
00:26:24 — Why Community Partnerships Matter
00:26:55 — Nicole on Leadership and the Legacy She Wants to Leave
00:32:21 — How to Support the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center
00:33:02 — Connecting With Nicole McKinney Johnson
00:33:40 — Closing Thoughts from Cleveland Pulse